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		<title>Comment on Rail transit in the CR-IC Corridor? by Matt Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being able to &#039;waltz&#039; onto the train is less strange then you think. It means no one has to spend time checking tickets, so it&#039;s much faster to get on or off the SLC LRT then it is to get on or off a bus. When speed is a premium, that&#039;s a big deal. However, it&#039;s not totally a free ride. SLC has specialty transit cops to go from car to car, checking passes. It&#039;s not constant, but watching some dead-beat escorted off the train has a salutary effect on the propensity to buy tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being able to &#8216;waltz&#8217; onto the train is less strange then you think. It means no one has to spend time checking tickets, so it&#8217;s much faster to get on or off the SLC LRT then it is to get on or off a bus. When speed is a premium, that&#8217;s a big deal. However, it&#8217;s not totally a free ride. SLC has specialty transit cops to go from car to car, checking passes. It&#8217;s not constant, but watching some dead-beat escorted off the train has a salutary effect on the propensity to buy tickets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on worship by jazzloonz</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/some-thoughts-on-worship/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzloonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this.  In my own experience, I find music to be the least worshipful time of a church service for all the reasons you&#039;ve given.  For a long time, I just thought I&#039;d have to arrive late and leave early to avoid that part of the group experience.  

Since I&#039;ve been going to ST Matt&#039;s, I find the music (old hymns) fits seamlessly into the experience, but as has been observed the focus is on God, not on the other things that trip me up and keep me from being worshipful.  Add to that, the fact that the tunes are nearly all unfamiliar to me.  It seems Episcopals have their own tunes, albeit old sounding, they&#039;re not familiar to me.  This allows me to really focus on the words and I am thus focused on praising Him the old-fashioned way with a new-fashioned attitude not encumbered by memories or associations.  It&#039;s like just discovering hymns!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this.  In my own experience, I find music to be the least worshipful time of a church service for all the reasons you&#8217;ve given.  For a long time, I just thought I&#8217;d have to arrive late and leave early to avoid that part of the group experience.  </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;ve been going to ST Matt&#8217;s, I find the music (old hymns) fits seamlessly into the experience, but as has been observed the focus is on God, not on the other things that trip me up and keep me from being worshipful.  Add to that, the fact that the tunes are nearly all unfamiliar to me.  It seems Episcopals have their own tunes, albeit old sounding, they&#8217;re not familiar to me.  This allows me to really focus on the words and I am thus focused on praising Him the old-fashioned way with a new-fashioned attitude not encumbered by memories or associations.  It&#8217;s like just discovering hymns!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on worship by Nathan</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/some-thoughts-on-worship/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo for such an excellent, well thought-out post! Many of the issues mentioned here have also been negative influences in my experience.

#7 is a pet peeve of mine as well. I love &quot;Amazing Grace,&quot; but if I have to sing one more &quot;updated&quot; version, I&#039;m going to puke. 

As for worship instructions (#6), they are a nuisance at times. Lifting my holy hands up is not something I&#039;m inclined to do, but I don&#039;t mind when others do. 

Skipping to #4, repetition is a major distraction for me. When I say something too often, it begins to lose its meaning (this is actually a technique used in literature at times). I long to mean what I say to God while worshiping. When repetition takes that away, I stop singing and try to pray. Or I look around at how joyful my fellow Xns are, which is always encouraging.

As for #2, the number of times I&#039;ve sung worship songs that aren&#039;t doctrinally sound is both amazing and disappointing. Far, far too often as daughters and sons do we ask God for things he&#039;s already given. Sometimes I skip lyrics b/c I don&#039;t believe them.

Self-aggrandizement (#1) is an issue indeed, and it&#039;s a problem not reserved to lyrics only. How many worship services have I attended that seemed like concerts? I don&#039;t attend church to see a show; I want the the musicians to lead me in worship. Perhaps jam sessions and/or guitar solos are worshipful for the performers, but they do nothing for me outside of being something nice to hear. Worship goes inside out, so the music should elicit genuine responses from the audience. If a song stays external and doesn&#039;t reach my spirit, I might as well have the radio on.

JL, your comment about hymns being God-focused is golden. Amen to fixing my eyes on the author and perfecter of my faith rather than on myself. It&#039;s Peter walking on water.

Finally, I acknowledge that a great degree of my failure to worship as I ought has little to do with the music; sometimes I&#039;m proud or hard-hearted. I&#039;m blessed that there are songs that smash my pride and humble me before the Lord. Those are my favorite, and most of them are hymns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo for such an excellent, well thought-out post! Many of the issues mentioned here have also been negative influences in my experience.</p>
<p>#7 is a pet peeve of mine as well. I love &#8220;Amazing Grace,&#8221; but if I have to sing one more &#8220;updated&#8221; version, I&#8217;m going to puke. </p>
<p>As for worship instructions (#6), they are a nuisance at times. Lifting my holy hands up is not something I&#8217;m inclined to do, but I don&#8217;t mind when others do. </p>
<p>Skipping to #4, repetition is a major distraction for me. When I say something too often, it begins to lose its meaning (this is actually a technique used in literature at times). I long to mean what I say to God while worshiping. When repetition takes that away, I stop singing and try to pray. Or I look around at how joyful my fellow Xns are, which is always encouraging.</p>
<p>As for #2, the number of times I&#8217;ve sung worship songs that aren&#8217;t doctrinally sound is both amazing and disappointing. Far, far too often as daughters and sons do we ask God for things he&#8217;s already given. Sometimes I skip lyrics b/c I don&#8217;t believe them.</p>
<p>Self-aggrandizement (#1) is an issue indeed, and it&#8217;s a problem not reserved to lyrics only. How many worship services have I attended that seemed like concerts? I don&#8217;t attend church to see a show; I want the the musicians to lead me in worship. Perhaps jam sessions and/or guitar solos are worshipful for the performers, but they do nothing for me outside of being something nice to hear. Worship goes inside out, so the music should elicit genuine responses from the audience. If a song stays external and doesn&#8217;t reach my spirit, I might as well have the radio on.</p>
<p>JL, your comment about hymns being God-focused is golden. Amen to fixing my eyes on the author and perfecter of my faith rather than on myself. It&#8217;s Peter walking on water.</p>
<p>Finally, I acknowledge that a great degree of my failure to worship as I ought has little to do with the music; sometimes I&#8217;m proud or hard-hearted. I&#8217;m blessed that there are songs that smash my pride and humble me before the Lord. Those are my favorite, and most of them are hymns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on worship by JL</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/some-thoughts-on-worship/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I agree that #1 and #3 are content-related in that both fail when the singer is singing about squiself. That&#039;s not the only issue, but I often have trouble singing along honestly with any personal claims (and if I can say a line honestly one day, I may not the next). That was one of the strengths of hymns - most of the hymns I know were about God. They focused less on the singer, and, since they were making claims about God instead of talking to God, they avoided many of the pitfalls you mention. I still like songs that are directed to God, and I support using vernacular in church (I want both the language and musical structure of the day to be incorporated in religious practice), so I&#039;m glad new songs are being written. But popular theology has changed significantly since the reformation. Aside from #7 and #8, your criticisms seem to be of charismatic influences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I agree that #1 and #3 are content-related in that both fail when the singer is singing about squiself. That&#8217;s not the only issue, but I often have trouble singing along honestly with any personal claims (and if I can say a line honestly one day, I may not the next). That was one of the strengths of hymns &#8211; most of the hymns I know were about God. They focused less on the singer, and, since they were making claims about God instead of talking to God, they avoided many of the pitfalls you mention. I still like songs that are directed to God, and I support using vernacular in church (I want both the language and musical structure of the day to be incorporated in religious practice), so I&#8217;m glad new songs are being written. But popular theology has changed significantly since the reformation. Aside from #7 and #8, your criticisms seem to be of charismatic influences.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on worship by Jason</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/some-thoughts-on-worship/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...should Christians even be critical of other believers’ attempts to write and sing to God?&quot;

When they&#039;re making money off of CD&#039;s, videos, accompaniment tracks, and sheet music...I&#039;d say yes.

#3 was a good one, although perhaps related to #1 (not its title, but some of it&#039;s content).  Many people certainly do feel as if God has been withholding himself from them.  Maybe such things don&#039;t belong in &quot;praise&quot; music, as it would them become &quot;pleas&quot; music or &quot;request&quot; music. But if worship should be, as you said, a time of brutal honesty, then a &quot;believer&quot; who feels that God is distant and unreliable should be able to express their seeking and yearning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;should Christians even be critical of other believers’ attempts to write and sing to God?&#8221;</p>
<p>When they&#8217;re making money off of CD&#8217;s, videos, accompaniment tracks, and sheet music&#8230;I&#8217;d say yes.</p>
<p>#3 was a good one, although perhaps related to #1 (not its title, but some of it&#8217;s content).  Many people certainly do feel as if God has been withholding himself from them.  Maybe such things don&#8217;t belong in &#8220;praise&#8221; music, as it would them become &#8220;pleas&#8221; music or &#8220;request&#8221; music. But if worship should be, as you said, a time of brutal honesty, then a &#8220;believer&#8221; who feels that God is distant and unreliable should be able to express their seeking and yearning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uncle Dan&#8217;s little buckets of wisdom (Pt. 1) by Steve Falk</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uncle-dans-little-buckets-of-wisdom-pt-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Falk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I just found the best forum ever! Nothing is better than a ranch, ketchup, honey mustard fight! I think the best of all is o&#039; charleys ranch and honey mustard...thanks for all the input! - Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I just found the best forum ever! Nothing is better than a ranch, ketchup, honey mustard fight! I think the best of all is o&#8217; charleys ranch and honey mustard&#8230;thanks for all the input! &#8211; Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uncle Dan&#8217;s little buckets of wisdom (Pt. 1) by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me from reading this post that you scored twice with the same blog.  Unsolicited advice AND crazy misinformation.   PEOPLE!!!  Trot on down to your favorite grocer and grab a bottle of Dorthy Lynch.  And be grateful you can!  There are some peoples in this nation who cannot.  Their silly grocers don&#039;t carry it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me from reading this post that you scored twice with the same blog.  Unsolicited advice AND crazy misinformation.   PEOPLE!!!  Trot on down to your favorite grocer and grab a bottle of Dorthy Lynch.  And be grateful you can!  There are some peoples in this nation who cannot.  Their silly grocers don&#8217;t carry it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uncle Dan&#8217;s little buckets of wisdom (Pt. 1) by Jason</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uncle-dans-little-buckets-of-wisdom-pt-1/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hamburger make of steak is fit for royalty. Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hamburger make of steak is fit for royalty. Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uncle Dan&#8217;s little buckets of wisdom (Pt. 1) by Dad</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uncle-dans-little-buckets-of-wisdom-pt-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, Dan. Ranch is King! It is equally good on peasant hamburgers or royal steaks. But a good second is mayonnaise! (It can go on eggs, too).

P.S. good to see you writing again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, Dan. Ranch is King! It is equally good on peasant hamburgers or royal steaks. But a good second is mayonnaise! (It can go on eggs, too).</p>
<p>P.S. good to see you writing again</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uncle Dan&#8217;s little buckets of wisdom (Pt. 1) by Justin</title>
		<link>http://biscuitsandgravy.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uncle-dans-little-buckets-of-wisdom-pt-1/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That picture is disgusting Dan...and I only use ranch when left with absolutely NO other option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That picture is disgusting Dan&#8230;and I only use ranch when left with absolutely NO other option.</p>
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